One of the most gratifying things about writing and vlogging about The Sinclair Method these last 5 years has been the many wonderful people that I have become acquainted with and the privilege that I have had to hear their stories. Dominik is one such person.
A Polish ex-pat living in the UK and a relative “newbie” to TSM, I first became acquainted with Dominik on my YouTube channel and we quickly established a really good, fun rapport. I have come to find that one of the things that I most enjoy about my YouTube channel is the comments section. I love engaging with people on it and I took a real interest in Dominik’s story, recently asking him whether I could use his drink diaries and drink graph for this website – and also asking him to write a little biography about himself, his struggles with alcohol addiction and how he came to use The Sinclair Method.
‘I have been drinking everyday for the past 10+ years. I have had some periods in the past where I remained abstinent for a couple of months but it never came out from me. I was just afraid to lose girlfriends. Even though after a few months of being abstinent I was always the first to arrange barbeques or parties just to have a drink.
My desire to drink was higher during abstinent periods. I am a beer drinker, although in the past I was on vodka for a while. So after losing another girlfriend due to my drinking habit in October last year I realised I had a problem that I couldn’t handle by myself.
I started to look on the web to see how I could help myself with this addiction. That day I didn’t find anything about TSM. I didn’t even think that there was something like TSM. The first things I found were related to AA, being an alcoholic and not touching alcohol for the rest of my life. I was ashamed to call myself an alcoholic, therefore I joined an online AA forum just to have contact with people who suffer from AUD (which is what I now call it instead of “alcoholism). I also visited my local wellbeing centre Compass, which helps people to recovery from alcohol addiction.
For a few months I had ups and downs. My longest AF [alcohol free] period was 3 weeks. I couldn’t pass that barrier. Straight after that AF period I dived into daily drinking again for around 2 months. Average 6 beers a day. I was getting depressed while drinking and feeling brilliant on my AF days.
In march on my holiday in Poland I went to my first AA meeting. I was surprised to see normal people, some of them even younger then me who looked “normal”. I did like it there and it kept me away from alcohol for nearly 3 weeks while I was on my holiday. I attended a couple more times before I came back to the UK.
I was energised back then, but after I came back the demon woke up. Of course I had to catch up so I was devastating myself with beers. I couldn’t stand the fact that there is nothing there to help me – only AA, and that “I am an alcoholic” on every step was making me feel like shit.
After the holiday I had ups and downs again. I went to few meetings in the UK, but I did not feel that energy like at the beginning. It was more like a sad atmosphere making me feel evn more sad and wanting to drink, so after a few meetings I literally went to the shop to get some alcohol.
Finally on one of my appointments at Compass I found a leaflet about naloxone. I came back home and googled it. Naltrexone popped out into my eyes and your video on Youtube. So I started to watch you, Claudia, Katie and I found a book [The Cure for Alcoholism]. It got to me straight away. I was and I still am energised and motivated by TSM. I had to wait a couple of weeks until I got my nalmefene, but during this time I was studying the book and teaching myself about TSM so that I knew that I would be ready and have the knowledge to succeed.
Since I started TSM on 16th of June my drinking dropped massively. By now it’s down by almost 80%. I also practice mindful drinking and always take my tablet at least 1 hour before.
I came back to my old hobbies, started to enjoy everything without alcohol and I am on my own. I have no girlfriend who can tell me to stop or we will break up. I have no one here, yet I was able to stand up on my own and do it. I am grateful for TSM and I have no words to describe how happy I am now. I started to control my drinking and I quit drinking during the week, moving to weekend sessions only. I also started to drink as late as possible, which can be seen in the last weekend of my drink diary where units are very low. So my long term goal is to become abstinent, but I am focusing first to decrease drinking below UK safe limit of 14 units. I couldn’t be much more happier than now. Its been 6 weeks and I cant believe how my relationship to alcohol has changed. I even keep beer at home and I can say to myself “I don’t feel like having a drink. Even if I wanted to, I don’t want to feel rough in the morning. I will wait till the weekend”. And its working ! I can do my stuff and don’t think about drinking.
It is letting me go. Thank you Dr. Sinclair!’
Despite some concerns that Dominik mentioned to me around the fact that English is only his second language, this is a very good testimonial that’s quite easy to follow – but what really got my attention was the extinction graph and drink diaries that Dominik shared with me:
Wow. “A picture is worth a thousand words”, right?
Just look at the difference between that first point on the chart (the week before Dominik started TSM) which shows a massive intake of 117.5 British units of alcohol for that week… and then, fast-forwarding through time, where he’s at by week 6… consuming just 12.5 units on that particular week.
As is typical, there’s been some little peaks along the way, but the overall trend has been one of quite a sharp reduction over the course of 7 weeks.
For a more detailed day-to-day breakdown, here are Domink’s drink diary entries (again, click on this image to see a much bigger version in a new tab on your browser):
These are really good, aren’t they? What’s interesting is that Dominik chose to also list how much he spent on each drinking session, which gives an interesting picture of how his spending has decreased a great deal over all these weeks.
I really look forward to seeing what the pattern’s like another 6 weeks from now (ha! I feel a follow-up article coming in the not-so-distant future… “Domink’s Journey: Part 2”!).
Many thanks, once again, to Dominik G. for making this article possible. It’s been a blast collaborating with you on this, Dom.
Okay, that’s it for now. For anyone who might be interested, click HERE to check out my old extinction graph and drink diaries.
Jeff quite interests me because (unlike many counselors I’ve crossed paths with in the past) he’s not fixated upon any one particular paradigm – “because one size does not fit all” in his view – and he’s really quite interested in modern treatments such as The Sinclair Method.
As he says on his Your Choice Recovery Facebook page:
“One particular avenue which deserves to be noted up front is The Sinclair Method which boasts – and rightly so – a 78% success rate of turning heavy drinkers or people with AUD (Alcohol Use Disorder) into moderate, safe drinkers. Whether or not you come to Your Choice Recovery to meet with a counselor, I highly recommend that you take a good look at the Cthreefoundation.org website. You will find a great deal of information about how The Sinclair Method works. In addition, any videos by Claudia Christian about TSM are worth watching, especially her 50-minute documentary, One Little Pill. The book The Cure for Alcoholism by Dr. Roy Eskapa describes a medically proven way to eliminate alcohol addiction. If we determine that TSM is appropriate in your case, as your counselor, I will help you keep a drink log, remain compliant, discuss any unforeseen obstacles which may arise. You may want total abstinence as your goal. There are many ways to achieve it. I will be happy to describe each one for you in order to help you choose the best route for you!”
So just carrying on from our conversation over Messenger I’d like to again thank you for agreeing to this interview… and I think the question I asked (“What’s wrong with you?? You’re a treatment provider who actually wants to CURE people?!? Don’t you realise what such a good gig you’ve got going with the revolving door thing – why do you want to do yourself out of a job?!???”) is probably quite a fun place to start.
Okaaaay… over to you, Jeff. 🙂
I would love if everyone were cured. However if TSM grows and becomes accepted by the mainstream recovery community, including doctors, judges, counselors, etc., there remains issues which can then be brought up. One such issue is that TSM is being used for alcohol use disorder. At this point if an addict tries TSM I believe he will be able to drink (alcohol) moderately, however he will still crave drugs. There is no program presently in existence in which TSMers can speak about problems they’re having.
The case I am making is that even among the advocates of TSM, I don’t feel that it is accepted for a drug addict/alcoholic to do TSM. As a chemical dependency counselor who is totally behind TSM, I still only offer to help someone with it if they have no other drug abuse history. There needs to be a program that will help a person follow TSM while working some sort of program of recovery for their drug use history. Imagine going to a 12-step program where it’s okay to talk about your usage of TSM, while still working a program of recovery on the other addictions. Presently, AA (even though drugs are an “outside issue”) does not consider a person sober if they use drugs. Conversely, NA doesn’t consider someone sober if they drink alcohol. I hope that wasn’t too confusing.
To more simply answer your question Gary, I would gladly find another career path if there were no more need for drug counselors. Unfortunately, I don’t think that will be happening anytime soon.
Regarding your comment “even among the advocates of TSM, I don’t feel that it is accepted for a drug addict/alcoholic to do TSM…”… that’s an interesting point, but according to chapter 15 of The Cure for Alcoholism (“The Sinclair Method as a Blueprint for Treating Other Addictions”) doesn’t TSM also have applications for things like opiate, amphetamine and cocaine addiction?
Using TSM for Amphetamine, Cocaine Opiate Use Disorders is promising. It would be difficult to work on them together. “I took my Naltrexone an hour ago so now I’ll go shoot a Speedball (usually Cocaine with heroin).” We know the heroin may have no effect after taking an Opiate antagonist. The Cocaine may work similar to alcohol in the way of Pharmacological Extinction. It gets confusing. I doubt, at this point in time, a doctor will write a prescription for anything with dosing directions stating “Take this pill one hour before shooting Cocaine (or other chemicals).” Perhaps an addict who got the medication some other way, might try it. If they did, the method may very well work (with full compliance). Many addicts have multiple addictions. The addiction to mood-altering Substances simply became an addiction to “More.” (Anything that changes my mood and I like the feeling, I want More!) To avoid present-day confusion and controversy with Pharmacological Extinction, it would be easier to have a more accepted method of recovery in place but modified to include TSM’ers. TSM works. That being said, it is only accepted by a small minority at this time. Attracting more professionals to help believe in and spread the word about TSM, needs to be done with as little confusion (and no ethical resistance) as possible. Therefore sticking with TSM for AUD treatment while adding a program of recovery for other Substances, may be adding the least amount of controversy to a subject that should not be controversial at all, yet is!
‘The addiction to mood-altering Substances simply became an addiction to “More.” (Anything that changes my mood and I like the feeling, I want More!’
…Interesting that you should say that. I’m paraphrasing, but something that Robert Rapplean was saying in the very recent podcast interview that I did with him was along the lines of “some people drink or drug not so much because they’re driven by craving, but by a need to alter how they’re feeling”… which puts me in mind of the classic example of what happened when thousands of heroin addicted veterans of the Vietnam conflict returned home to the states – the majority of these soldiers quit very quickly and with very little difficulty.
So would you say that, if you’re a therapist, the question then becomes “Well, just where does the individual in front of me fall on the alcohol use disorder spectrum?”… i.e. how much of this can be addressed through anti-craving medication like naltrexone using The Sinclair Method and/or how much of a need is there to address other internal or environmental difficulties?
Interesting question Gary. It reminds me of an early reply when I stated that there needs to be a program of recovery for people taking TSM. I think if someone has all other issues in their life in healthy order, TSM is enough. In cases where there is more needed, such as when the person has no support group, the person will most likely (about 78%, so they say) become disinterested in alcohol. However they will not have other needs met.
There’s another program which talks about the “emotional hangover.” If there is something missing from a person’s life which is causing them to be unhealthy this will cause increasing stress over time. As far as I know lack of a support group is the number one cause of relapse and an inability to handle stress is the second.
When using TSM you may want to consider not being compliant as a type of relapse — or lapse as some prefer. Becoming disinterested in alcohol, to me, is partially because I know that no matter what I am going to take my naltrexone an hour before I drink. If an individual runs into what I like to call “The Perfect Storm (e.g., gets fired, car breaks down, spouse leaves all at the same time), there will be a high amount of stress. At that point something needs to be in place to handle it. Either the person has great stress-coping skills or a support group to help them deal with the stress.
When these things are missing it may be tempting to make a bad decision and skip the naltrexone at the next drinking session. I can imagine someone who has had great success with TSM may feel that they can’t handle the way they’re feeling at the moment. I can imagine them thinking that they can go back on TSM after they get through this rough patch.
Summing up the answer to your question: I do not think it matters where the person “fall(s) on the alcohol use disorder spectrum.” It does matter what other balance the person has in their life – is their life in balance both before the stress hits and when the stress hits? Balance has a great deal to do with recovery.
I honestly cannot make any assumptions about other people’s motivations for non-compliance and subsequent re-addiction, Jeff. Everyone is different.
It is an area that needs more research – we need to learn from our failures. [Though “failure” is perhaps too unforgiving as a choice of word, given that many people get back on the horse and subsequently course-correct quite well]
Clearly, education is key here. But speaking for myself, because I read The Cure for Alcoholism quite thoroughly prior to starting TSM I was therefore very well aware of the importance of “the golden rule”.
Another factor is that I’m one of these people who has been plagued by bad luck all my life… seriously… I’m not kidding – I never ever, ever, ever win anything in games of chance; I always lose (hence why I don’t even bother with the lottery).
Being prone to such poor luck has resulted in my becoming someone who doesn’t take uncalculated and emotionally-driven risks lightly.
…Hence why when I read something that more or less says “The odds are that you will very likely become re-addicted quite quickly if you do this…” I tend to take notice, given this weird hex which I have.
Moreover, despite having the experienced the most godawful “perfect storm” and having very little support myself on numerous occasions over the last couple of years dealing with the fallout of my mother being murdered and then the subsequent trial what’s most interesting is that though I could have given myself an easy excuse, my attitude toward compliance instead actually hardened because my motivation then became one of: “As much as this is a godawful waking nightmare I need to be 100% present 24/7 in order to be there for my family”.
But other people are different and their “perfect storms” are very different so I cannot make any judgements here. In terms of willpower I cannot claim to be any stronger or any weaker than anyone else.
Another thing – and this is going to probably sound very weird to you, Jeff… but another factor in my success has been spite, as crazy as that sounds.
To explain: the evil bastard that robbed and murdered my mum and then set fire to her home was a crack cocaine addict… so, you see, what happened was that my own continued compliance and abstinence (despite what I was going through) then became a defiant “f*** you” to the perpetrator and his defence team during the trial, should they have ever attempted to use his addiction as a mitigating factor or as a way to make the jury feel sorry for him.
…Anyway: I got sidetracked and ended up just talking about myself again! Haha! You must be thinking “It’s all me, me, me with this guy”. Sorry, Jeff.
Going back to what you were saying, Though I see some value in one-to-one counselling (should someone require help for whatever issue) I’m not so sure that TSM peer support groups (whether they be in “the real world” or virtual) are always a recipe for success for everyone, but education most definitely is when it comes to TSM.
Despite many people’s fears that TSM will put many addiction professionals out of work by virtue of making things like the need for detoxes obsolete, the fact is that there will always be a need for good educators.
I definitely do not think you’re all about “me, me, me”. You help others daily.
Interesting that we both mentioned the need or lack of need amidst hearing about MARA. I am truly happy for your current success!
I do think many people lack the ability to deal with stress. I took a class once and there was a test about coping skills. The results (be they valid or not) were that I was going through the highest stress factors in the class at the time but that I also had the highest level of stress coping skills in the class. To me, it meant that I have the knowledge to deal with stress (life) but it didn’t help unless I actually put that knowledge into action.
Support groups can help with accountability and help the individual get through tough times. Not everyone is strong enough to do it on their own.
It might also assist in spreading the word of TSM.
Well, when it comes to MARA (Medication-Assisted Recovery Anonymous), my attitude is that I’m all for newer, more inclusive interpretations of the 12 Steps; which is why I’ve been a fan of things like AA Agnostica and AA Beyond Belief for quite a while.
Despite my not being “a group person” and despite my own previous negative experience with AA (which I speak openly about HERE) and also despite the fact that I cannot minimalize the legitimate criticisms that many people have of the Minnesota model, I have a real respect for people within the movement who are actively trying to change it from the inside. I think that’s really gutsy, in fact… I consider such people real pioneers.
This is what a lot of people don’t quite get about me, Jeff: the fact that I’m not anti-AA. What I really am is “pro-choice” when it comes to recovery. Though I do have a clear bias toward The Sinclair Method for treating alcohol addiction and would recommend it as the first choice for the majority of people with an alcohol addiction, I’m all for people having as many options as they can at the end of the day.
…And on that note I’d like to thank you for a wonderful interview, Jeff. It’s been a pleasure speaking to you. And well done on what you’re doing with setting up your own MARA group – it’s inspiring!
Hi Seth and thanks for agreeing to this interview. From previous correspondence that I’ve had with you I was most interested to learn that (like myself) you first heard of The Sinclair Method (TSM) thanks to The Orange Papers website. For the benefit of our readers could you tell us a bit about that whole trajectory in your journey… that’s to say: how did you first come to read The Orange Papers? And, for that matter, what is The Orange Papers?
Gary, I’m happy to be interviewed about The Sinclair Method. That question about the Orange Papers, well it’s a red pill question, the answer for which your readers are going to have to take a trip down the rabbit hole with us.
I found the Orange papers while I was in Alcoholics Anonymous which is probably analogous to a subculture or subroutine in the Matrix, it has it’s own rules, it’s own language, it’s own glitches. There were an interesting chain of events leading to my willingness to explore logic outside the AA subculture that interestingly was initiated by a fellow friend and AA member I will refer to as The Bumblebee. One day Bumblebee asks if I want to come over to his house and watch a cool video, oh wait The Orange Papers, OK we’ll get back to this later.
So The Orange Papers is a website that is a collection of research writings and email threads hosted by a former AA member that goes by Agent Orange. The front page header reads:
Before AA I was involved with a christian cult so finding the Orange Papers was like finding the ex-cult website that had all the dirt on that group I was in. I started reading it, and the more I read the less I felt like AA was actually helping me. But you know what AA true believers do when they are having a rough time, dive more into service. Towards the end I was hosting a group I kind of took over and I turned it into a Big Book Study group, using a series of recordings by a couple old guys named Joe and Charlie.
So I visit the hive of The Bumblebee, and he plays this video called Zeitgeist. Dude blew my mind, so I started doing all kinds of research on the internet expanding my mind. When Zeitgeist Addendum came out I got involved with the Zeitgeist movement, I started the New Jersey state chapter. Anyway it was in this time I became aware of behavioural indoctrination and first heard the idea that AA wasn’t the only way to deal with a drinking problem. Started going to AA in Sept 2000 and by mid 2009 I was done with it, I left and began trying to drink again. It took about 7 years for me to get to the point of looking for help again. This is about the time around mid 2015 I really started to go downhill. After researching SMART, S.O.S. and even Rational Recovery, I tried AA again for 3 months and found it worse than I remembered.
So I decided around 2008 AA wasn’t for me anymore. It was a very difficult time because I lost my community, I was in new territory. The only thing that kept me going was the fact that I didn’t have to lie to myself anymore. It actually was a matter of survival because I wasn’t getting better.
Gary: Here’s a fun question for you – as I’ve previously mentioned to you, something we both have in common is a fondness for Star Trek. My question to you is “wouldn’t the addiction treatment arena be a better place if people started channeling their inner Spock instead of their inner Captain Kirk?’ i.e. stopped arguing from emotion and started coming more from a place of dispassionate logic. I only ask because I see a lot of people channeling Kirk and McCoy on internet addiction forums, but not many Spocks! Lol
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. I’m fond of Spock, I like to think I identify with him. What made Spock great was that he wanted to be on a ship with all these divergent and various people. This is something I think addiction treatment needs is a willingness to boldly go where the 12 steps hasn’t gone before. I really don’t know how Spock would deal with addiction, this is the first time I’ve thought about it. I guess if there was a behavioral plague Vulcans fought it would have to be emotions, so our addictions are like emotions to Vulcans. The closest thing I can think of that Vulcans might regard as a treatment for emotions would be the Kolinahr training. That takes years, and once completed they are Kolinahr masters. There have been attempts by Star Trek to address the problem of addiction, one was a Next Generation episode that got it wrong, but they didn’t consult Dr. Sinclair about it.
I think Gene Roddenberry liked to drink because it comes through the series, his way of solving drunkenness was to invent synthehol.
Another question just around Star Trek… would you say that the difference between TSM and other treatment methods is that whereas other treatment models effectively see alcohol addiction as a “Kobayashi Maru” (an unwinnable scenario), we don’t.
So the classic lore in Star Trek was that Cadet Kirk beat a training simulation called “The Kobayashi Maru” by rewriting the parameters of the test, the test being unwinnable. 12 step lore is the opposite of the Kobayashi Maru it’s winning by accepting defeat. In any other field of medicine this would be laughed away. If the field of cancer treatment stopped searching for better outcomes I would have died 15 years ago. If the AIDS research stopped at the peak of the epidemic we might have 3 billion less people alive now. So yeah AA and other 12 step groups present addiction as a Kobayashi Maru test when it’s anything but. This learned helplessness is killing people.
It just seems like when people derisively exhort “There is NO cure for alcoholism” it sorta echos the “There is NO way to beat the Kobayashi Maru” sentiment expressed by numerous characters in Star Trek in response to the fact that Kirk did just that.
That is the sad thing about the 12 steps, civilians for the most part see AA and NA as something they are not. If I ask people who know nothing about it they tell me some strange things. Some folks think medical professionals are involved at meetings, they think it really works and people who it doesn’t work for just refuse to be treated. They don’t know that the primary treatment is to go to a group and bitch about how they can’t drink anymore. I’m an Ozzy Osbourne fan, everyone knows Ozzy has alcohol use disorder. I think he had the most brilliant insight when asked why he hates going to meetings. To paraphrase: “Going to AA is like going to a meeting where a bunch of men who lost their leg sit around and complain about losing there leg and how it happened. I say it’s done, I lost my leg now get on with life”.
After I went back to AA after not going for 7 years I had a new perspective, I wasn’t going because I was afraid, and I was fully versed in the whole program. So I was very much in touch with how what people said effected me, and meetings are an hour long behaviourally triggering process. I mean if a person goes to a meeting and doesn’t want to drink after they weren’t paying attention. So after 90 days I started looking for other things, I went to SMART for a few meetings but that was after I started TSM.
Two of the people that impressed me were Dr. Robert Sapolsky, and Dr. Gabor Maté. They both have novel scientific views on nature vs. nurture and the social cause of addiction. Their work is what started me looking at alternatives to AA. Dr. Maté used to treat the addicts he treated with Ayahuasca and had great success with it.
Okay, next question… and this is a boring mandatory question that I need to ask… but how are you doing as far as TSM goes? Do you still drink at all or are you now completely abstinent? And how long exactly have you been on TSM?
These are my favourite questions.
I’m very active in our little community of pioneers, and I’m solid. I would describe my relationship with alcohol and TSM as “Organic Abstinence”. If that’s a term that has never been coined I’ll go on record as the originator. What I mean by it is if given the choice of a slice of pizza and a glass of ice water or a beer I’l pick the pizza and ice water every time. I have alcohol all over the house, it’s not mine, but that never stopped me before now. it’s just bottles of something it takes too much work to bother with. When I started TSM I decided I wasn’t going to be totally abstinent because to me that was to extreme and I felt I’d rebel against myself.
So I live life free from the grips of the trickster. I have rules… don’t drink alone… only drink if it’s a casual occasion… if it’s a booze orgy I’ll pass. Nothing triggers my drinkflex anymore. I don’t even stare at people’s drinking glass anymore. I used to do that all the time. I started Jan. 13th, 2016. I consider July 1st 2016 as my extinction day, but it’s hard to tell because it wasn’t until July 10th or so I realised I hadn’t had a drink for a couple weeks.
Okay, last question… as you mentioned, you’re “very active in our little community of pioneers”… you recently took over the reins from Angela as the head moderator on the Your Choice, Your Recovery Facebook forum (which has seen MASSIVE growth in a very short time – so major props to you, Angela and the rest of the gang for that) and you’re an active participant on numerous other forums… but my question to you is what next?
You disclosed to me in a previous conversation that you’ve mooted starting a podcast show – are you still keen to get that off the ground?
There are times in my life where I became involved with things from a pure heart only to find out the leaders had very ulterior motives, and I stuck around even after I should have left. There were other opportunities I was an early adopter of but didn’t fully commit to because I was burned in the past. The Sinclair Method is the first thing I’ve done that I know 100% that it works, and it’s a grassroots thing that has potential to turn alcohol use disorder treatment upside down.
Alcohol is only legal today because it’s the oldest mind altering substance man has used. If alcohol was discovered today it would be a schedule 1 controlled substance. So I feel a duty to the world as long as it remains a culturally accepted and legal intoxicant to spread the word about The Sinclair Method.
Having been on the inside of Alcoholics Anonymous and done all the things they suggest and tried, I mean really tried to get well and help people do the same. I’m not willing to sit by and be silent, I know what works and what doesn’t, I know what is sane and what is insane. Treating a medical condition like alcohol use disorder which is a learned behaviour that is physiologically set by social conditioning of repeated exposure to alcohol over a long period of time. Treating that by forced abstinence, group indoctrination, some religious ideas of powerlessness, prayer, meditation, restitution and proselytising when The Sinclair Method is available is not only insane. It’s unethical and deadly. We have case studies, we know personally dozens of people who have successfully done what we have done, we have dozens more right now in their first weeks of TSM who need support. Tens of thousands in Finland who have been treated successfully.
We face a difficult challenge because people want answers, and most stop at the first one they come across. As expensive as treatment is and as cheap as 12-step meetings are it’s a hard sell to say to folks “hey there’s something in the middle here”. You know, families have resigned to the idea that rehab is $1,000 a day, medical detox is $10,000 per treatment.
When someone comes along and says look, you can do detox and rehab at home for $3 to $5 a treatment not including drinks. Treatment being take naltrexone or nalmefene wait an hour or two then drink all you want, do that for 3 to 6 months and you’ll be cured, they don’t believe it.
Now accredited addiction professionals are providing The Sinclair Method option for their clients, but instead of a $10,000 detox and 28 day $30,000 rehab they are asking just $1,000 a month for 6 months or some are charging $5,000 for complete treatment meaning until AUD is extinct, if that’s 6 months or 12.
I want to tell you what alcohol use disorder felt like to me. Ever had to be in a room with a crying baby? If it’s not your child it can be annoying, but it’s not your kid so you can get up and leave. But if it is yours or you have to watch it, you’ll stand on your head to get the kid to stop crying, bottle, binky, milk toast, rocking, bouncing, changing diapers. Whatever is in your power to do you’ll try, just to get some quiet. But what if there is a baby in your head, and that infant has a scream on it that would make a mother flip over a car to get it to stop. The only thing that was able to get my evil brain baby to shut up is booze.
Before TSM it was bedlam in my head.
After six months the baby was weened and I guess he moved out, went to college or something, but all is quiet on the booze front between my ears now. Now I’m left to tackle the 20 or so years I avoided emotional maturity. The first year after extinction it’s like an identity crisis, who am I without the defining feature of powerlessness over alcohol? I’m a pioneer in a field where this treatment will absolutely become the Gold standard of care for Alcohol Use Disorder. I’m not an alcoholic, I don’t need a label like that, I don’t have active alcohol use disorder, I don’t need to be anonymous about it, I love where I’m at with regards to this deadly problem.
So what’s next for me? Long term I want to write a guide book for TSM to help people who want to do it get started. I won’t go into more detail than that. But short term I want to host a weekly or twice weekly or even if needed daily Sinclair Method Podcast. I want to have guests on, I think I could have 50 episodes on just talking to all the TSM doctors in each state of the USA. I’d want to cover TSM news, have some fun, I’m sure there will be no shortage of material.
Thank you Gary for interviewing me, it’s been a blast.
…Thank you, Seth. It’s been fun. We should collaborate again some time. 🙂
‘…Not long ago, drink was my “sun” and I was in its orbit.’ – Marie
Hello readers and welcome to the second in my series of ongoing interviews with different people at different stages of recovery with The Sinclair Method (TSM).
My friend Marie – who has been on TSM for over three years now – has very kindly agreed to share her story with us.
What follows is a transcript of our correspondence together.
When did you first realise that you had a drinking problem and how did you come to hear about The Sinclair Method?
Hello Gary. First let me say that I’m really excited to work with you on this article. Mindful, compliant Sinclair Method Is a true life-saver. I’m happy to do this as I can to help spread the word.
You ask when did I realise I had a drinking problem? The short answer is I was in my mid-40s.
The true, long answer is that I simply grew up with alcoholism and drinking. It was just what people did. I have a strong family background with drinking, so it was only ‘normal’ when I snuck my first beer at 11 or so. I got married in my early 20s to a rather large man, but I could drink him under the table at will. At that time I was still in the driver’s seat with the drinking. Months would go by and I wouldn’t touch a drop. I separated from my ex in my late 20s, and could drink ‘socially’.
Then some of the binges started creeping in. I would have been shocked at this point if anyone had told me I had a ‘drinking problem’.
I just grew up with people often drinking a good portion of the night and then recovering the next day. I tried to date at this point in my life, and had several broken relationships. My friends Jim and Jack were always there for me. though – Jim Beam and Jack Daniels. I never drove drunk, and I never missed work due to a hangover, but the drinking was becoming more and more prevalent. The binges came more and more frequently and became more and more intense as to what and how much I was drinking. I had the family history, and my own personal choices too, that had me marked as a person who drank.
The AUD started really getting bad in my early 40s. I’ve always been a private person, so a lot of people in my family even still called me a ‘teetotaller.’ I’ve never had to go to the hospital and detox, and I still tried to never miss work or any other important engagement; but I started believing more and more in the bottle of alcohol in my fridge.
Images of cold cans of beer would just pop into my mind when I was trying to focus at work for instance. I’d be home, relaxing an watching TV and, without any real conscious thought on my part, I’d be up and into the kitchen to get a glass of Amaretto. I still didn’t have a ‘problem’, you see. I still didn’t need AA, or any other form of help.
If I kept my head clear and really focused, I could still go for long periods of time without a drink.
As I initially said, it was in my mid-40’s when things came to a head. I’ve always lived on my own, so not even family members knew things were getting bad for me. I just kept it to myself. If I never missed work and never drove drunk, I was in control, right? I was all about Rum Chata at the time, and I had a very hard time getting out the door to go to work without ‘just a sip’. In spite of having lost several family members at this point due to the drinking so prevalent in my kin, I would slide down stairs because I was so buzzed. This is ‘hitting bottom’ in the worst possible way. Finances have always been rough, so I’ve never been able to carry much health care or go see a physician or get medications. So I ended up simply trying to ‘ration’ the alcohol, which left me in quite a white-knuckle state. The ‘binges’, if you could still call them that at this point, had pretty well melded themselves into a string of fights with my drinking. On my days off work, or when I had a clear schedule, I would just drink. I would eat once every other day, but always had red wine handy.
My true moment of realisation happened when I woke to an awful smell of greasy smoke one morning. I used to take several over-the-counter sleep meds, and yes, drink heavily on top of that. I went into the bathroom that morning, only to find that I had left a small votive candle burning on the back of the seat. It had gotten too hot, and the glass container it was in had exploded. There were sharp shards of glass and stinky blobs of brownish melted wax all over. It’s a good thing I left that little candle on the back of the inflammable porcelain seat. I never would have woke up if a fire had started.
That was when things came together for me. That was when I realised it was change or die. The little choices and decisions I had made one at a time all through the years had come to a head. I was torn between the image of the cold beer in my mind with beads of condensation sliding down the sides and the images of all my family members who had died from AUD. This was when I realised that it wasn’t like me to have to fight to get out the door to go to work without a few swallows of Rum Chata. I was single, on my own, but I had to somehow give up the drinking or die.
There is a strong AA community in my area, but I knew these people and would watch them suffer with the cravings to drink. There are many bars in my area, and though I never wanted to go *INTO* the taverns themselves, they would trigger the need to drink when I passed them. I’d get home and pop open the bottle. My finances cut out any possibility of seeing a doctor. I was at a very crucial point in my drinking – I call it the ‘Black Hole Event Horizon.’ I knew the drinking was going nowhere good, but how could I just leave that half-glass of Long Island ice tea?
You didn’t throw any drink out! I never got a DUI or had to go to detox, but I was nonetheless about to get sucked into some very destructive behaviours. Black Hole indeed.
I had been a follower of the sci-fi show Babylon 5 a few years prior.
One day I did an online search of the actors of the show to see what they had been up to recently. I came across Miss Claudia Christian’s memoir ‘Babylon Confidential’. I got a copy, and when sober enough to comprehend, read it quite avidly. Many things clicked into place when I did. Then I got a copy of Dr Roy Eskapa’s ‘The Cure for Alcoholism’ and was blown away by the sense and the logic to the science behind this ‘Sinclair Method’. This is the same time when it came to me that maybe I couldn’t take my own rough drinking habits for granted anymore, much as I grew up seeing the behaviour all around me.
It was also about this time that I got out to meet Miss Claudia in person. Yes, finances were hard, but it was ‘do or die’ when it came to the drink. Miss Claudia was appearing at a sci-fi convention. I have to say I was far to shy to openly discuss my drinking with ANYONE, let alone someone I was meeting for the first time. That was early 2014. I left her a copy of some of my writing, and then quietly went about my business. I gradually struck up an online conversation with her, and then saved up my pennies and nickles and went out to another convention she was appearing at. This time, I summoned up the courage to speak to her. That was later the same year. She helped me to get my first few doses of naltrexone. Miss Claudia’s wonderful non-profit, CThreeFoundation.Org, was of great help to me. I saved up a bit more cash, got my own supply of naltrexone (Naltima) and began mindful, compliant Sinclair Method. The Drinking Dragon, which had so quietly and perniciously crept up on me, was quashed. The AUD Monster, which was on the very verge of sucking me in, was removed completely from my back. In spite of a lot of odds against me, I got it done – and if *I* can anyone can.
Wow. That’s a great story of perseverance in the face of adversity. So… it’s been over three years now, right? What have those three years been like? Have you been able to keep compliant?
Oh, Gary. Have I been able to keep compliant? That’s a very good question, because it’s the whole point of the Sinclair Method after all, right? Yes, I learned early on as I was beginning TSM that LIFE has Inertia, and the Drinking Demon has a life of it’s own. I learned to keep my nal on me always. Things seemed to try to conspire to trip me up once I did realise I had to change or I was going to die from my AUD. I learned early on to keep my naltrexone on me all the time so I wouldn’t get caught out without the medication. It’s such a simple thing to do, really, and yet I had such an awful fight getting my nal!
I feel as though my pharmacological extinction moment happened in March of 2015, so yes, we’re about at that three year mark. Life itself is huge, so the last three years have been a terrifyingly beautiful time. My life is very different these days than what it was years ago, when the drinking was bad for me. For instance, when I was new to TSM, I did the research and learned about some of the science behind the Sinclair Method and pharmacologically enhanced learning (PEL) and I started exercising regularly on the days I did not drink.
These days, my life is grounded around those healthier choices instead of drinking. For me, AUD was such a huge part of life that the change was …. bewildering. What to do with all the time and energy and money once devoted to drink?
I’ll tell you about my extinction moment. Again, I had quite a fight getting my supply of naltrexone. When I did get the medication, I was mindful and compliant. If I compute how much I spent for my supply of nal, it breaks down to a cost of $2 or $3 per pill. Yes, like many other TSM folks, I had to order via a pharmacy in India. As a binge drinker, I did not drink daily. When I was having a rough day and felt a binge coming on, I would take a nal, wait the prescribed hour, then drink. I started TSM just before Christmas 2014. I drank per Dr David’s method thirteen times over the course of those intervening months. If you follow that simple math, that means I used thirteen pills at an expense of some $26 to $39. I don’t put this question forth in a ‘snarky’ or sarcastic manner – but do bear in mind the costs of hospitalized rehab and detox. Compare those expenses. Upon a time I would spend that $25-$40 in one night drinking easily.
So, I was at work that day in March when I had my extinction moment.
I worked in a laundry in an elderly care facility. The pay was not good; and I had no health care. My boss came to me and told me that hours and pay were going to be cut. I didn’t have much to begin with, and my paychecks went down by about one-third. This is part of what I mean by how life will throw you ‘curve balls’. Once the AUD has you, it intends to keep you.
I was furious. I worked nights, in a wing of the facility off by my own. I blush to admit this today, but there I was at work yelling and screaming and cussing. I kicked, and cried, and threw things about. I’m a lone wolf, and as hard as I worked I had just barely been making ends meet. How was I going to support myself making even less? AUD (Alcohol Use Disorder) is a GOOD term, and covers a huge field of people in a wide gamut of drinking abuse. Some people have ‘good’ lives, and are still AUD. I myself don’t drink for a reason; if not for naltrexone I’d drink for MANY reasons.
Then the realisation of my extinction moment hit. I landed flat on my backside on the gross disgusting nasty sticky floor at work when I realised I had been so upset and angry for HOURS – but never once did that image of the bottle of Amaretto waiting for me at home come to plague my mind. As beside myself as I was in that moment, never ONCE did my internal voice say, ‘I need a DRINK!’ I had been so wild and agitated for hours, but I was no longer subject to the Drinking Demon. After the shock wore off, the tears that had been of sheer rage turned to … joy? Relief?
The past three years have been terrifyingly lovely indeed. I never expected to have that time. Now, it’s up to me to figure out what I want my life to be about, and how to cope with those awful blind-sides life throws at us all. It’s up to me to figure out how not to permit myself to be so upset. TSM is about dignity, and the personal responsibility that goes along with it. That’s what these last three years has been about for me. Not long ago, drink was my ‘sun’ and I was in its orbit.
It was a ‘Black Hole Event Horizon’ indeed. Objects in motion tend to carry on as they’re going, until acted upon by an outside force. Life has thrown a lot of trials my way. I’ve been compliant with TSM, and so it’s been a rock. I may not know where my life will take me in the next few months, but do know alcohol won’t be part of it.
I used to fight and ‘white-knuckle’, waiting for the time when I could drink. I used to be able to almost taste the alcohol, and feel the tingle in my fingertips before I even had a drop of anything to drink.
It isn’t a life for me anymore. Just a few weeks ago, I opened a bottle of root beer soda a friend had given me – it wasn’t a regular sweet soda.
It was an alcoholic beer, 5.5% by volume. Blind-side. Inertia. I looked at that beer for a long time, I grant you. I considered taking a nal, waiting the hour, and then finishing the bottle. I admit part of me wanted it. I ended up throwing it away, when not too long ago that surprise sneak-attack on the part of the Drinking Demon would have set off a huge binge for me. As strong as AUD runs in my family, the Drinking Monster still just doesn’t stand a chance against mindful, compliant TSM. It is terrifying and beautiful, but there is hope there too. For all forms of addiction – because if we’ve figured out the Sinclair Method for drinking, perhaps soon we’ll figure out how to save people from other forms of substance abuse outside of AUD.
I had a t-shirt printed that says, ‘Alcohol + Naltrexone = Your Life.’ Dr David left us a huge legacy, of dignity and hope. There you have it, Gary. Nal on.
‘…Not long ago, drink was my “sun” and I was in its orbit.’
Well said – I like that. So it’s fair to say that you were a rapid responder…
I also like the fact that you mention pharmacologically enhanced learning (PEL) and about healthy endorphin reinforcement on your alcohol-free days.
Question: given the steady growth in interest in The Sinclair Method on social media how long do you think before TSM stops being a niche thing and goes mainstream?
It IS a brave new world, once Extinction happens, isn’t it? Drinking does take over our minds and lives, bit by bit. When you’re free of that life-style, things do open up.
You asked how long did I think it might be before TSM stops being a ‘niche’ thing and becomes mainstream? Again, a very good and insightful question on your part. My answer would be I think it might depend on where you live. Having seen Miss Claudia Christian’s excellent ‘One Little Pill’ documentary – well, perhaps in India where Alcoholism is developing TSM might develop right along with it. That’s so encouraging. TSM may well be ‘mainstream’ in Helsinki, perhaps, where Dr David and Dr Hytiaa did the now-famous ‘Deprivation Effect’ studies.
Perhaps elsewhere in Europe in the next five to seven years naltrexone may become more and more readily available, along with doctors and pharmacists who understand how the Sinclair Method works. I feel as though TSM efforts are getting well under-way in these places.
And then there is America, which has always been it’s own story. In the States, TSM efforts may always have to be grass-roots. I put chalk in my pocket and take walks around town and scrawl ‘Sinclair Method’ or ‘Naltrexone’ on the sidewalks in front of the taverns in the area. I’ve considered booking one of the conference rooms at my local library and having an informal TSM Meet and Greet. I’ve pulled people aside when out at parties and told them privately about TSM. I’m heart-broken to say that financial concerns seem top-priority in my country today. I’ve sent emails to Senators and Congressmen and more local assembly folk, explaining how effective and worthwhile TSM is – I don’t think I’ve had one response. My state’s department of transportation official website reports that in 2015 there were 190 fatalities due to drinking. There were 2,900 injuries. The NHTSA (United States Department of Transportation) websites report that every day 29 people die in the country in impaired driving accidents. That’s one every 50 minutes in the US. The other pertinent fact here is that, last I knew, TSM has a nearly 80% log-term success rate.
I find that conjunction of facts bleak and awful: there are so many accidents in my state alone due to AUD, but I’ve not really heard back from any authority I’ve reached out to and notified of the Sinclair Method.
By the way, I did try and look for more recent statistics from my state department of transportation as to the impact of AUD on driving on the roads in my state, and couldn’t seem to find more recent figures. I’ve also tried reaching out to local doctors on the subject of TSM as well, and gotten as little return communication.
I’ve also reached out to famous daytime TV talk show hosts about TSM and gotten no answer.
So, for me, the hope of the Sinclair Method lies in other countries. In the US, the Sinclair Method may always be grass-roots. I’ve gotten spare copies of Miss Claudia’s memoirs and donated them to my local library.
I’ve also bought spare copies of Dr Eskapa’s ‘The Cure for Alcoholism’ and donated that too. It IS a human rights Issue. In my last job, the woman who trained me was killed by her husband because she told him she was leaving him. He would sit in the bars and drink and brag he would hurt her if she did leave. He’s in prison for life, at tax payer expense. This happened just as I was learning about the Sinclair Method. In America, it may always be people who have gone through pharmacological extinction reaching out to people who need the news.
In the States, it may always be a case of AUD folks helping other AUD folks. The attitude that says, ‘If you have drinking problem, DON’T DRINK’ is just too prevalent here, on too many levels. For my part, I’ll keep an eye on how things develop in other countries and applaud the success there.
My best to you Gary – Marie
Thank you, Marie. This has been a really good, insightful interview. Thank you so much for your time, your input and for spreading the word – it’s really appreciated. I love your chalk drawing, by the way! (and have made it the leading image in the article) 🙂
The following article is what you might call an epistolary… an electronic “chain letter” (using instant messaging and e-mails) between myself and Lesa, a member of the Your Choice, Your Recovery Facebook forum, collected and re-edited here in a Q & A format.
…I like doing these types of things, I must say.
It makes a real change from the onus being just on boring ol’ me… and I like how it makes for a really organic article.
I pretty much just got lucky. I went to a 30 day in-house Rehab and AA and I couldn’t stop drinking.
I was a disaster and I felt like I was sinking further and further down.
A friend of mine who’s an avid AAer told me about naltrexone but didn’t know really what it did. I started researching and came across Dr. Roy Eskapa’s book, The Cure for Alcoholism. I read it and went to my doctor and asked her to prescribe it to me.
I didn’t even mention TSM because I was worried she wouldn’t give it to me. I was given the prescription and told not to drink but if I did it wouldn’t hurt me*. I started it right away.
[*Note: this is NOT the correct way to prescribe naltrexone for The Sinclair Method. The correct protocol is to advise the patient to take a naltrexone pill one hour before their first drink and not to take it on any days that the patient does not drink.]
[After a short break the conversation then picks up again a few days later by way of e-mail correspondence]
Hope you’re well. I’ve had an odd couple of days where I’ve not been able to find the motivation to do much (February is always like that for me – it’s just a dead month here in Hartlepool).
I’ve been thinking about my blog and I think that I might do a whole series of interviews like this with different people at different stages of recovery with TSM… why? Well, because I think readers are getting a bit bored of hearing “Gary’s story” all the time and would be grateful to hear other people’s points of view.
So… continuing on with our interview… I have a question for you: I note from your posts on the Your Choice, Your Recovery forum that you’re someone who very much supports medically assisted alcohol addiction treatments such as TSM as well as other stuff like baclofen and gabapentin, etc… and my question is what do you say to people who don’t support a biological model of alcohol addiction? What do you say to people who view it as “an illness of the soul” (a view supported by many AA members)? Or, for that matter, people who view alcoholism as a “choice” rather than a disease? (a view supported by some psychologists)
I have been dealing with this for a while now. AA is so infiltrated into our society no one wants to hear anything else.
“It sounds to good to be true!” or “Lesa, there’s no magic pills.”
So I respond like this, “If I go to my doctor and I tell him I am sad and nothing makes me happy, he’d probably diagnose me with depression. He wouldn’t tell me to “choose” to be happy and go find “God”.
That would be malpractice, especially if I committed suicide.
Yet, we live in society that is brainwashed into believing that if someone is alcoholic they need to find a “spiritual awakening” and “choose” not to drink.
It’s completely absurd!
There are medications that repair the eroded neuropathways from addiction and balance-out the neurotransmitters that cause anxiety and depression caused by alcoholism. I take Naltrexone as needed and Acamprosate to balance out the neurotransmitters. They are a great medication team to cut cravings and create homeostasis (balance) back to pre-addictive state.
It’s absolutely ridiculous we (TSM) folks are educating society on this scientifically proven and evidence based method to cure alcoholics instead of doctors. We really need to make a movement to help so many people suffering from alcoholism. Not only is society ignorant to these medications they fight the scientifically proven method! It’s pure madness.
…I think you’re right: ignoring an effective, safe and dignified treatment in favour of a less effective, antiquated one IS malpractice… it goes against the Hippocratic oath.
It’s like a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.
I mean, it’s a question of human rights, surely? It’s like this: if there was a ground-breaking treatment for diabetes or cancer that was being denied to people there’d be an absolute uproar, but because TSM is for alcohol addiction it’s like nobody gives a sh*t about our rights – don’t you think?
That’s a great point. I am going to start using it. You’re right, if there was ground breaking medication for any major illness that was available and not used there would be an uproar. I am going to use this in my arguments with non-believers.
Here’s a question that I wanted to ask… I note that you work in law enforcement… and my question is this: would attending AA meetings not put you in a potentially very compromising position if you found yourself sitting in a room elbow-to-elbow with people you’ve previously arrested?
I mean, okay, there’s the “who you see here, what you hear here, let it stay here” card and there’s the twelfth tradition… but in this age of social media you have AA members breaking their own traditions online all the time…
Actually that’s another dilemma I had to deal with in AA.
I am actually a sergeant in the jail which makes it even harder because you spend 40-60 hours a week with people who hate you. They love to get dirt on staff.
12% of AA members are court ordered so there’s no desire to keep that private. I live in a very small community in Northern California called Humboldt County. We have the second highest crime rate per capita in the State to only be beat by Oakland, California.
Most of the people who commit crimes are influenced by drugs and alcohol so as you can see going to a program or going to AA in my area can prove difficult. I had to go out of the area for rehab that was professional and first responder based to feel safe. AA meetings had many offenders and I found that made that support system even more ineffective for me as well.
So thank God for TSM and MAT (medication assisted treatment).
…So I notice from my newsfeed that you’ve set up a Facebook page. What can you tell us about that? This is very much inspired by what you’ve read in Roy Eskapa’s The Cure for Alcoholism and Linda Burlison’s A Prescription for Alcoholics, right?
I want to be a part of a movement that educates society on new approaches that treat addiction. I find it ridiculous that society is so brainwashed by AA. I know that it takes a strong person to be a linchpin but I think I am up to the challenge. I am inspired by several people: Claudia Christian, Dr. Roy Eskapa, Dr. David Sinclair (of course), Linda Burlison, Lance Dodes and you. Plus, all the many people who are willing to speak out against the masses and are making positive change. I really want to be a part of this movement and see real change.
I have dedicated my page, The Game Changer for AUD with Pharmacological Extinction (see HERE) to helping as many people as I can. I am currently working on a class dedicated to teaching people about the brain, addiction, alcohol deprivation effect (ADE) and medications used to control and cure the disease. I created and taught many classes for law enforcement and I am going to use those learned skills to teach my new passion TSM and MAT.
However, I am a novice blogger and Facebook page manager so I am still learning in that area.
On my page, I show and talk about books that not only talk about TSM and MAT but provides the proof of the statistics and the information that back it up. I also bring up issues and add some of my personal information and issues I’ve dealt with going against the grain.
I hope you join me and I look forward to creating my class and sharing it with all of you.
That sounds great!
I use WordPress as my blog platform, by the way. It’s a blogging platform/website builder that’s really user-friendly and really easy to learn. You don’t have to have any real experience with coding or anything like that to set up a decent looking website with WordPress.
…Okay, well I think we’ve just about come to the end of the road with this article, Lesa. Thank you so much for your input and long may your success with The Sinclair Method continue. Also, all the best with your new projects!
Time for a discussion about whether naltrexone should be reclassified as an over the counter (OTC) medication…
Here is an instant messaging conversation that I had yesterday with a friend from Ireland who has just recently gone onto The Sinclair Method and who has had some challenges obtaining naltrexone. For the purpose of ensuring her anonymity, let’s call her “Alice”…
Hi Gary. Hope you’re well, am still staying on track and seeing improvements already. I nipped into Lidl last night and got a couple of bits I needed. I headed to the check out down through the last alcohol isle….think their stores are the same layout in the UK. Anyway. Got to the check out and my brain goes….oh yeah…you wanted wine. And so I doubled back for some I giggled inside, that would never have happened before my TSM journey. Still drinking each evening but never without my 1.5 hour window after taking my nal. This evening I came home to a letter from HPRA, the health products regulatory authority of Ireland telling me that they have seized my medication….that I have already received?????
…So I rang my counsellor and she reckons that perhaps my medication was sent out twice …which I doubt very much. I think it more likely that big brother is watching. Cannot understand that if I have acted unlawfully then why are they not prosecuting me. My counsellor reckons it’s best to not respond and draw attention. A bit scary and very very annoyed at the same time. F*ckin bullies.
Huh?!? That’s nuts. And you’re quite right… pretty scary.
Jeezus, do these people have nothing better to do?
Obviously not. My counsellor warned me that something like this could happen. I’m fuming. Some bloody jobsworth being a right bully.
[Alice then discusses a possible not-exactly-legal strategy that she could use as an alternative method to acquire the naltrexone she needs, her defiant sentiment being “How dare they!!!”]
Apparently it’s legally available over the counter from pharmacies in Spain, you know.
Yes I read that alright. I might be going on holiday then 🙂
I’ll find a way round it. I’m not stopping this.
Hehe. That’d be one way to do it. 🙂
A weekend in Spain sounds good. So feck off you Irish bully boys
Heh. You could kill two birds with one stone by upping your supply and having a nice little holiday in Spain. 😉
I’m going to research it and see where the pharmacies are. Might hedge my bets and have to post them back to myself. They might be the same at the airport. You know how bad airport security is these days.
It’s appalling that naltrexone is so hard to get hold of if you need it… you know, if this was a treatment for cancer there’d be protests, but because it’s a treatment for alcoholism nobody cares… which is so wrong.
I know. I’m treated like a criminal. What I can’t understand is that they state that I’ve acted unlawfully, yet the end of the letter States that if they don’t hear back from me within 28 days then the case is dropped and they destroy the evidence….bit Irish if you ask me.
Haha. I like your way with words. 😉
How come they don’t try a prosecute me if they’re really serious….no bloody sense.
Part of me wishes I got [caught and] prosecuted for purchasing mine from [name redacted]…. just because I’m the type of person who would go to the media to shame the system.
You rebel! What was the site you used?
Thing is…if I was on the better side of this I might fight it. I just couldn’t do it yet.
[Name redacted], though the package that I received was mailed from a factory in India
I’m going to keep the letter though….I might send an anonymous copy to a paper…..you’ve got me thinking now.
I might just follow this up if they keep me anonymous…..send them a little snippit with links to Claudia’s clip* and some other online stuff. Some reporter might like to get a little start with this 😁
Hmmmmmm….I think I need a new me email address 🤔
[* Note: see HERE for Claudia Christian’s acclaimed TEDx lecture about The Sinclair Method]
It might make for a good change.org petition… a campaign to get naltrexone changed to an over the counter medication.
This might be more useful than I thought. My contribution ….even though I haven’t got tangible results yet.
I really can’t do it as myself though just yet. Can you help?
You can use the letter if you hide my name and the letter reference/case number?
How could I help? Would you like me to write a piece on my website about it, obscuring your name and other details?
Yes do please.
I’m going to contact the papers here anonymously too.
Cool. I look forward to writing it!
Do you want a colour scan? I can do it in work tomorrow.
Brilliant. Thanks Gary 😁
I can use Photoshop to obscure your name.
Yes….I’ll send it tomorrow. Thank you so much.
…Okay, so I’ve redacted the content of this conversation in certain places in order to preserve Alice’s anonymity but it reads fine, I think.
Jesus, it makes me so angry – just the injustice of it.
THE LAW REALLY IS AN ASS.
I mean, here’s someone who’s (rather nobly) doing everything possible in order to help herself recover from a horrible, debilitating addiction… and yet she has to put up with this – being made to feel like a criminal; it’s just wrong on so many levels… absolutely scandalous.
Something needs to be done, I think… and I would love to read other people’s feedback on this.
And, in closing, I would like to thank Alice for sharing her experience and also for her commitment to the cause. I think that it’s actually quite brave of her to allow me to publish this.